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My name is tuomas rauhala and you are listening to the podcast.
Join me as I sit down with musicians, actors, athletes and cultural influencers to hear what it means to be a true guru in your field and explore the roots of their passion, their daily rituals and the pivotal moments that have shaped their unique journeys.
0:28
Listen in as we discuss how it all began.
And what practices guide the continuation of their successful work?
Marko saaresto what makes you laugh?
A direct stare into eyes and then let's start there.
0:47
So where do we start?
It doesn't matter though, as many people laugh when they see you for the first time, or you've already seen it several times.
But we've seen each other before.
Now the laughs have been laughed out and time for serious face and.
But hello, welcome to Tuusula.
1:04
Thank you.
Great trip from Espoo.
It's a really, really, really nice trip.
I drove around a little bit earlier, so I drove around and looked at the scenery and.
It was fun to drive in the foggy weather and look at all the detached houses floating around and stuff like that, and it gave me a good feeling that I understand why you live here.
1:29
Yes, yes, this is not quite sleeping now grind, that from here, however, you can get to the city pretty quickly if you want or I'm talking about the city of Helsinki.
The city of Helsinki so.
but yes, it's so determined to pull back to the country side little by little.
1:45
Yes, it's nice.
It's nice when there is a little bit empty space around and there are forests and fields and other things I've been a person longs, however, quite a lot of that around his surroundings, so that for example if you come even from a hectic event or work, so then so so I can get a little bit calm down to the point when you get to him and.
2:06
Then you can leave the dust of the world as if shaken off its feet at that point and is usually quite important at least personally.
I have personally experienced that calming down is always important.
Somehow it is fun when talking even with people who.
2:23
Born in the centre of Helsinki, so then, for example, this kind of living arrangement could be just as awful for many others, because it's nice to get straight from your front door to the hustle and bustle of the city, and for you it's just as if OK, if I have some business to attend to, even if I'm going to Helsinki, I'll go there, but otherwise I'll be here in the basement or walking around in nature.
2:45
I understand that I'm just someone who was born in the centre of Helsinki and.
And I've heard that when I learned to walk and then to run sometimes I was a kind of parental terror who ran between all the cars directly into the traffic lane because on the other side of the road there was something interesting that kept me here and again I saw that it's a miracle that I'm still here, but then on the other hand, so this kind of rural landscape has also been then just since childhood another where, but somehow stamped ettu that so in that sense so I enjoy at least a lot that I can walk it .
3:23
Along the gravel road and in the summer timo you did grow along the road and and and and so that yes there is a lot to draw from there, that.
Tell me quickly.
I say quickly, because I have so much to say that if you talk about your whole life history, it could be.
3:41
That's how it might happen.
We'll still be here tomorrow, so you've already told us a little bit about your history, but let's start with a cliché: where you grew up, what schools you went to when you were young, and so on.
Yeah, well, I was born in Helsinki and went to school in the capital region, so to speak.
4:00
My school hasn't grown up and so I also spent all my childhood summers in the heart of Savo.
Again, I've been to school and I've been to school.
Well, these elementary schools and high schools, of course, but then after that so.
4:17
And they were in Helsinki.
They were yes, yes, yes, yes, but then so, so.
After that, my path is kind of like that.
Been fireworks rockets that every every direction tevetä because I do not know many things have interested, but usually they have been pretty far in that kind of art field that I have studied graphic design and visual arts and I have studied music and I have studied medicine and and and psychology and therapy work and .
4:57
Yeah, well, when I started thinking about making this podcast and started thinking about who I could ask to do this, you were right up there at the top right away, of course because I already know you pretty well and we've rolled into one and I've gotten to play gigs here in Finland and abroad with Poets.
5:22
And somehow, a little bit back there before the recording, that I need to get some of those things.
clichés clichés used to begin with through and then they praise this top right away and make them all embarrassing so so things I tell praise and it is then there so so so so .
5:38
But then somehow when you have talked with you have been on a trip so you somehow surprise or you have surprised me many times that no damn that is it that kind of thing when it has done way that it.
Becomes already a bit mysterious figure, that what on earth that acupuncture is not remained and then when you do you talked about something hand problem or something so is that no.
6:01
Not when you have it and there in your hand is it and it can and or what on earth do you know about that and then just toi that you are good at writing and well you have linguistic talents and so you are quite a renaissance man of this sort.
6:19
Yeah, one of those.
A person who has educated people internationally, I said.
Sometimes he uses terms like scanner and diver.
I mean well scanner and diver and I think I am scanner and type that is who has fan interests and and and then is forced to get to see and experience and learn quite a lot pretty quickly, but then want to change to the next and and and so then again this kind of diver types are perhaps more that they choose they they they find pretty quickly their own.
6:55
Their life career so may go into it then quite as infinitely deep in the job they become experts and so on and so on and so on.
I'm perhaps the kind of people who have then more of this kind of every place on the broomstick that round so that interested, that it then always of course.
7:14
Well my acupuncture teacher said to me at the time that if if so you do an awful lot of things so so the energy that you have so it breaks down around her and nothing is right.
Maybe then go ahead and then you might get some kind of feelings that you are stuck in one place and you get a little frustrated when things don't work out and you don't go forward.
7:36
And so.
It became kind of me that okay, that I could do then so that I always focus on one thing and then when I really start to see that it goes forward and other, so then it of course feeds the matter of interest to yourself and and so.
7:53
You start to like it more and more and then at some point you might feel that OK, I've done this enough.
I think I've done enough.
No more frustration for me.
I'm happy with where I am and then I have the opportunity to think that I can look at the next thing and.
We humans, fortunately, are like.
8:09
We mainly live so long in the present day that we have.
We have the time to really concentrate on many things in our lives.
Depending on our own interests, of course, and for me they always vary a bit.
However, in my opinion, we remain in the same areas, so that somehow I have experienced that maybe everything I do is something like that.
8:31
It is self-expression and personal exploration, but it is also improvement in some way so all the pictures and music and designs and all so it is someone that wants to structure the world so that it would be easier.
So.
So from different perspectives.
8:47
That it would be easier to somehow understand
But have you ever worked in these areas in addition to music as a full-time job.
Well, yes, graphic design, advertising design, copywriting.
9:03
I have.
I was in the advertising industry for many years before I ended up doing music professionally, even though I've been doing music since I was a kid.
But then I also did acupuncture massage, which I did sometimes for a short time as my job, and I have studied it for a longer period of time.
9:25
And so.
And then these kind of my therapy studies.
There have been more.
Maybe then , that even though those studies have taken longer time, so it's working to make it has perhaps remained more so that I have perhaps ammentanut them music more it .
9:50
Just my own attitude to things around people, the music, the lyrics.
What I write, so it has become kind of perspective and thoughts so when they and and then mulla has a friend who does acupuncture and goes to our gigs and said that he always comes therene latautumaan, that when he gets from it, that it is the kind of the healing work that I do in the way now so that when he does acupuncture so so I do music.
10:18
No, I'm not, I've thought that it's a beautiful idea and.
I've accepted that this is definitely the way it is.
It's like if someone experiences it like I said, then at least for him it's something else.
But I myself get a good feeling from it.
Yes, that this is nice if this is also successful in improving the quality of life.
10:39
Yes toi is certainly true, that especially different art forms certainly supports all the same thing that what you do and in the previous episode talked a little bit about martial arts sports and and how how how to bring the martial arts in sports.
10:55
We practice and somehow through it like I am.
At least I have received a lot of evevitä just for example how I myself even if I teach things to someone so or how I train so worth just tolleen laaja alaisesti a little look .
11:11
From the point of view of different areas of my own work, suddenly it can become more focused on my own main thing.
Yes, that's a good point.
I've thought about it many times in the way that if you do many things many different things so you start to suddenly see the laws that actually apply in all of them.
11:33
No, the fact that you do something in one way in one thing, you can get from it to something else in another thing, but wait a minute, when I did something like this in your case, for example, this struggling thing I did this way, what if I do the same thing in playing or what I do with it? the same when I write lyrics or I make a picture or something like that so yes they are kinda threads that connect all the art fields to each other and creative fields and then also the fact that another thing that popped into my mind that hello idea.
12:04
Coming from the back of my mind is the fact that somehow I have also experienced the fact that.
That even though we talk a lot in this world as if someone is art or someone is a creative field.
And compare it to a situation where someone would not be an art and creative sector, so I do not perhaps quite agree with my opinion, I think that really so as everything that people do is in some way problem-solving and it is immediately creative that so as if just so as what you think so as there is, however, someone so as even in performing work may be so as so if you think just so as so as a movie by Chaplin where he is something like what is a conway belt but still someone on a belt.
12:50
So and turn a button so so OK it can be caricatured to be difficult to find the creativity, but maybe it is still some kind of half meditative state that is automatically then already creative state for people that something happens in the subconscious , which perhaps then later manifested in some way .
13:10
As a solution to some kind of problem or something else?
Yes toi question many times has arisen for myself, that why is it even worth creating anything why in this world is worth fighting for anything to create something and then it may not be seen or heard by anyone.
13:30
So I think that tossa that way be so as to be just the core that when a person creates so then it feels meaning to their own animal gets content and not that it is not necessarily the case that it should be a million people hear but the fact that if you are a creative person so the need to keep the way so as to fulfill.
13:51
Or therefore mulla mulla at least if I am anxious immediately very easily if if I do not create if I take away from me so I am anxious yes pretty quickly.
Well, it would be a bit like you would be told to stop talking, that speech is just a way for people to express themselves.
14:09
That in addition to it, there will be all the other expression that can be done with all hands, physical expression, playing, singing, drawing, writing, dancing, cooking, whatever they are all , so when communication forms so it's a way to communicate with the world when you do something.
14:29
Even if you create something, I could imagine that the time would be pretty much shut down if someone would come and say that you should not talk about anything from now on.
But do you know sign language too?
I used to learn it when I had one.
14:45
I lost my voice last summer and I had a two-month ban on using my voice.
We had a gig and the doctor said it was going crazy.
And it was still, but after that you don't talk for 2 months so I carried my cell phone with me, but it was really funny when my friends come to me somewhere on the street and say hello hello hello they have seen how it goes and then I take out my cell phone and wait a minute I type in this really big text here so like a memory day now so like that yes I have a ban on using my voice and.
15:23
And then of course the conversation went on about it, laughing at it and asking, that well what has happened and I had to explain what had happened, that so why my my so my throat was in bad shape and again like this and then somehow it came through it that people probably do not generally understand sign language, but now if ever so mulla would be just an excellent chance take at least something to take over it and.
15:48
And then I learned to say a few things like that.
Good morning and good night type things that youtube and pigs then but that was it.
I think it's terribly interesting and educational and then I'm that in fact this would be really good if this would be taught to people just in elementary school that was it to suggest that it's so smart .
16:17
That with gestures and that you can express yourself.
There are really a lot of things and I am by no means someone who knows how to do them.
You would be an expert in sign language.
But that's how I immediately felt that if I make these movements really sharp or softly or something, I think that it's a pretty expressive way to express yourself and it would be terribly good to know how to do it.
16:41
That I thought about it about that certainly here too is semmoise semmoise persoonia or or personnallisia tapaoja tosiaankin.
Faxless video was in my opinion whether it was gardens and or some other song where there was video where it was just so that the guys discussed in sign language in it and it it was filmed street view so it was black really funny looking when it just shows agitation and in those movements in those guys when they talked about it so so toi so it would be 3 4 people in a group who discussed it was filmed from the side it was black pretty cool scene.
17:19
Hey, let's dive in a bit.
There's the history here anyway.
And I want to talk about the poets of the fall a little bit, and if you don't mind, let's go back 20 years.
What was the start of your career like?
17:39
so emotionally it was quite inspiring and exciting and tickling that they think that something new is happening and is .
A positive new thing happening is usually kind of, like, quite funny and stimulating and so and so and so.
17:56
But it was practically.
We had been playing with olli earlier already known for a few years and played songs and then made songs.
It was noticed that the songwriting between the 2 of us works well and and other things because we were somehow.
The people who supported each other also silleen.
18:16
mentally and we got to know each other and it was fun to spend time one and so and then so we then it then the then project kuihdusta way out so then continued to write the song and.
We sat practically so when I was in the kitchen and played guitar and sang and we had something that they were something.
18:40
Mini discs or something like that that we recorded all the stuff we did back then.
And then at some point.
We were also called "Aliso".
We made plan wish list kinda that that some kind of package of what we wanted and.
19:00
And so that's probably it somehow then .
Alko it actual that yes that no now we are band and so.
We noticed then that we are silleen that we know how to write the songs, but we needed someone who would be skilled in the production side of things, because we were not so good at it ourselves.
19:23
Like skilled.
And then so then came the situation where my good friend sami lake from that remedy so so.
When he heard that we now have this, that I now have a new band so then sami said said said that what if so.
19:45
I actually said to him in the car when we were sitting, that we could sometimes, if you have something in your games like remedy games something you need music so probably gladly make some music for you.
But it's just something like that, well, yeah, I did not expect anything from it and of course that I do not go into anyone else's business and so on, but then it stuck in my mind and then he had talked about it at work and then he called me 3 weeks later that you remember when we saw and you said this.
20:15
That you could make some music, so what if now then you would do, that they have a new project of this sort going on here so that now mccain's sequel part, that if you would make it a song.
And so I was like OK sure yeah and then so so so and then so so I didn't think about it any more I was so so so I was just excited about it and then Sami sent me his own so so when his text so so so so so what he had written then so so so so so so so little so so so consciousness flow basis and said that if you find some topics or ideas for it so you can use them in the lyrics and went to him then so so so.
20:56
Then I went to my parents' basement where I was living at the time and I took my crumbs to landola and then I ripped 3 different songs and recorded them on a c cassette because it was state of the art hi-fi technology that I had and then I played the songs on the same cassette.
21:19
And then after a day or two and so the whole thing started to roll on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on.
And the song was then sent to the yankees first through them there and there then came OK that a good song that just make it ready and put it in the game and and well we then started to make it olli with and well at that point then kapu ie markus karvonen came along with the project because he happened to be the person who.
21:52
Who was from a different company, but they knew each other because they were in the same premises, so they were in the same offices, so markus came to the point that moi mä can produce this song.
And for us it was just incomprehensible universe influenced what we wanted that here now suddenly came this desired third guy who is insanely skilled producer and so and so and so and so and then the fact that.
22:25
We had made the song and then we made an acoustic and vocal version of it and then we were there.
Well so pop it is there and then then kapu was then in the evening went to him to go to him to think that well he's a little experimenting with this thing and then it came to us the next week I remember or the next day when it was already to him we were seeing 2 days in a row and it had produced the song so much forward.
22:51
And we all have a smack so our jaw dropped when we heard it.
We were like, what the hell, so what if you come to our end right away?
Yes.
And that's how it started, that we were given our songs.
We were composed and clapped and said that well, they are actually pretty good and and he has not actually been a little while to do any kind of band project, that he could come to messiin this way and that's how it just the beginning started kinda like that way forward.
23:19
Tossa tossa is a good reminder that what what you can say kinda like a sidebar to someone, so what it can .
Boys yeah long beer boy yeah.
So maybe noboy yes.
So new just a good reminder that if you mention to someone, so it can really result in something pretty pretty big and that was certainly a good boost to your career right from the beginning of the band was you got tommoiseen release of your own song.
23:47
Yes, it was.
I mean it was very relevant in it and and very, very necessary and so and so so beat nice pressure then that what kind of the next songs.
There will be, but then again afterwards.
Good to say that so as if that fortunately, the next few songs were then made so as if so great passion and and and and kind of semmoisella so when heart and ambition that they also then also the outside world got something for themselves.
24:16
I heard that this is.
This is good stuff.
And the thing is that it has taken off and lasted all these years, which is now that it is so when.
For over 20 years, last year was the 20th anniversary year, so it's been over 20 years, so it's .
24:34
Sensual, as it were.
The thing is, of course it has taken.
A lot of so when it is back-breaking in the way these 20 years, but in any case it has been that it gets, can be incredibly grateful that 20 years have gone so wonderfully.
24:51
How it has gone with the search.
When you are sitting there in the kitchen 20 years ago.
What was there on the parcel now when you look back on it, are those things fulfilled?
What did you then or were they a lot somehow?
More childish notions of what you want or is it something like that?
25:10
Changed.
Well, I think that when you do something like what is your dream or wish so there really can not be anything childish, that you I have thought that you should aim so high as possible.
25:26
And that will feeling that this is really tämmöinen.
It could be sweet that and of course it's your current life way.
The idea that later you can think in a different way about things, but that if it aims really high, so if you get there then so as if ten is the scale from one to ten ten ten is the highest so so if you get to 4 5 6 somewhere there so you've gotten really far and so as depending on what your own meter is.
25:55
We had such things there when we were there, so well, we had this thing that we want to make a living with music, we want to make songs.
Um we had something like that about gigs, that so when that play gigs and make songs and and and and so and so release albums and that was actually the time thing and time like the main thing.
26:17
But then we also had the fact that 3 years we are known in Hollywood so then this kind of like I saw sentence there which was then really exciting to the point that it did not really took just a few months when it happened and then it was then that oho.
26:36
So like, can something like this happen?
Can something like this be true and what happens from now on?
Do we still have any goals?
But of course it that it wants to make music long-term and it is your job and you get your living from it so it is not .
26:56
It's said that it happens and it's something like long-term and work that way.
It's really not something you take for granted.
I think that being able to get along in your own country with music so then already successful in music that will be I just said maybe a little stupid word childish, but when such childish thoughts have also been you know just these that I want to be there and there and that magazine cover and such now thinks that joke I'm stupid you know many things in a way what you may have thought, but just the fact that when you have become older more so.
27:35
You realise that OK if I can pay the bills I can support myself and my family.
In my home country, it's already a pretty hard thing to do, so no.
There's no advantage in having a sold-out Wembley over there.
27:51
It may not be needed at all.
It's great if something like that happens and.
Again, I've seen and been involved in and played in huge big things and so on and they are great experiences, of course, but just the basic premise of something like that.
28:11
own own own own life and semmoisen root level thinking that now I can kind of support this own life and.
And so environment.
And close people and so so so it is.
It's all that it's really that happens it in Finland or abroad or anywhere so when.
28:31
In the professional field though so so so it is already it is already quite a wonderful thing and in all this on the other hand so then when I understand what you meant there childish, but so I think it is also.
It's terribly important that a person retains that certain kind of childishness.
28:48
Now at least so semmoisen aloittelijan mindeleen that that so even if you do even if 20 years in the music industry and and other days are completely glazed eyes and ringraakki and everything else tämmöistä own mind, so still it childlike and somoisen aloittelijan mind retaining is perhaps what is able to restore you to a state that you are curious about what direction I go from here.
29:16
You have to sometimes to go back and think about their own roots, that why I loved to do this job and saw that it is not long say 2 30 years when you do something so it would be pretty strange that every day is sooo yes yes today otherwise again I do the same.
29:34
Yes, the name of the story.
Yes, it is.
It is just so, that if game humor is preserved and childishness in the doing, so yes it is much better.
Yes, definitely.
And it is it is important toi what you said toi attention to the fact that you always go back to the roots and ask yourself that so is this still my thing?
29:57
Is this what I still want to do and and if so in what way that serves as a way to me at the moment here that how I'm good to be and so I think that quite a lot semmoisessa especially when you start a career to go that you are semmoisessa career path and things happen a lot and and from the outside comes especially in the music industry is a huge amount of motivation.
30:18
To the fact that what other people would like you to do with your time and your life so easily it is easy to forget that a moment so tää is really my time and my life that so that it starts to kind of offer itself as if to notice that this too so when too much.
30:36
Um grip surface for others and then you notice that you have been put many hooks and you are pulled in many directions so it is perhaps good to stop and often and so when you think about it that whether everything is still right?
30:51
Are you going in the right direction and if not so then kind of like it for themselves in a friendly way and preferably for others in a friendly way so learn to at least so when to communicate the fact that what is your own direction and goal and what you intend to do and what you do not intend to do.
31:09
I may have to reminisce a bit about my first experience with you in your head.
I got to support the north of the fall for the first time and and it came to remember that really fast notice and and then I remember that I learned 17 songs and and it was me of course I knew a few songs or in fact let's go back in time.
31:34
Your gig at Province Rock sometime in 2000.
I wonder what that might have been?
5 or 6 is there such a thing?
There have been two thousand and five, I think, and there have been a few gigs in the provinces.
When did the lift come?
Two thousand and five came with a lift or two thousand and four.
31:51
Actually I seem to recall the lift single was released and.
The album came out in January 2005 and then 2005.
In the summer we were in the province though.
Yeah.
Yeah see that's my first experience actually like your live show.
I was like I wasn't really of age at the time.
32:08
I slept in a tent in a relative's yard.
Yes, in the province and washed myself with a garden hose, so there's not much more to it.
Here here to tell you that so it is k 18 so but nevertheless exciting to think that when I saw you there just as a boy, that one day I will someday travel with you in the world way that how .
32:33
How have things gone ?
In a way, then, but I remember the first experience.
I had written notes and sheet music for all the songs, because I certainly didn't remember when Lift and Carnival of Rustin at that point, so then we were somewhere in Jyväskylä.
32:50
Would it have been a harbour?
Yeah, a harbour.
Nights of the harbour nights event or something like that.
I had then all 17 songs in a kind of stack.
There somewhere where the drums next to the floor so it was one reminder picked up self type that so if it's windy so they should be put on something so they rotate somewhere behind the stage they there they a four there, but on the other hand when I had done the duunin silleen that I was visually.
33:21
I've written the songs, I've learnt them.
They were kind of like backing up there.
But then when the support and security left there wind in the harbor nights so so I remember that it was time in stressful situation and not in .
It was quite terribly could.
33:39
Maybe maybe not.
Of course, so as to enjoy the music so much, because you had to cope with the situation.
Yes, of course, but then when the material has become familiar, you don't have to think about how the songs are going, but you can.
Just be there.
33:54
Do you know you ride along and listen to what everyone else is doing and and kinda different perspective to look at it that hommaa and and really much has learned it with you playing that there it the whole opinion it is nice to work it with your whole group and and all has really pro meininkiä been.
34:15
Really nice to be with you.
Nice, thanks for listening and I must say that a terribly insane performance.
It's the first time you've ever done a gig like this.
I didn't even realise at the time that you were in such a situation.
But I understand that it's the first time you're playing new songs with any kind of group, so it's a tough thing.
34:35
But toi my notes flying along here in the wind so it is it is yes.
Fortunately, there are no such things as a 7/4 13 eighths part songs that can be able to keep up with the things.
34:52
But then that's what I am.
I have noticed what I think is great kapu is good just to arrange and produce so so they have really carefully thought out certain things and it wants that things go in a certain way and then some things.
35:09
You can question some again not that kind of like to be the way they were was the case.
Whatever the band but so kind of must be so when the way it is music so as how the music is wanted to be played so as not to go so as an ugly word to rape the songs so as to play the music so as it is wanted to be played, but then that it should have its own personality, however, in my opinion there should be its own personality.
35:41
To this, but not to start reinventing the wheel, however, that if it is a simple point, then it's just as futile as an argument this works.
This way this goes really well forward.
Yes, I do not think that a professional sees the point where there is order and space for his own personality comes out and then certain things that are because he sees that OK this point I must probably now then play in the way it is predetermined and that is also OK, because he understands that it serves something.
36:13
In the case of a larger whole, which is in the case of the song, that tää is otherwise actually quite interesting, because so when toihan is just thing that applies in many other areas and where you see just these threads that go as if that so as.
To other things, if you think about graphic design or interior design, so you have the thing and when you give you a kind of commission that we need a thing like this for a purpose like this.
36:41
And they have some preferences, some things that are important to them and you need as a professional to know how to interpret the needs and preferences of other people to what you bring to them as the design that you bring to them so that it serves their needs and preferences and yet you can put your own vision into it, so you can in that case be even the way you make someone's logo.
37:09
Even for a customer and so on and so on, the logos want to say exactly the things that the customer wants to see in the logo.
But you've got to choose quite a few things and see that it homma works, that necessarily the customer would not have been able to do it in quite the same way and in that sense in music it is interesting and important that when.
37:33
Professionals are there to play so so so everyone does his work to the best of his ability and and and and they must be given the opportunity and space to do the work to their own best ability and that way it always gets the personality according to the situation and the situation.
37:53
And I think it makes it interesting that if everything would be just how it is played on a record when you go live to play it, I have always thought and this is just my opinion.
Not the truth, but I've always thought that it's more interesting.
38:08
Maybe you go to a live situation, listen to a song you know, but you hear the version of it that the band has in their veins at that moment.
Maybe bring a little bit of something new boost to the experience of hearing the song.
38:25
Because music is just the same way as many other things, so it is a living thing, that even if you spread a song so so it is not ikään as I think that now it is .
Cement poured and it is here, but it is one representation of the song and then when you hear it from the artist later live, so it may have lived through the years and change.
38:50
And it has probably happened to all our songs in that way.
That even though we may be pretty strict in the way we stick to the lyrics and production of the song.
Which to the songs have been made at one time, so still it is noticeable that as a singer, I notice that they are my my melodies, my phrasing and others may then live there where there is room for it so so so so from year to year that I like some kind of intonation or some kind of melodic progression more.
39:25
And then I notice that I've changed it.
From what it is on the record, for example?
Yes, you have to be able to move within certain boundaries and make it interesting for yourself, because it's natural for me that if a song was written 10 years ago, I don't want to sing it the same way every day.
39:45
Not do not want some songs that have made at one time so also sees that.
That the musical expression and, for example, the lyrics and things like that have been .
What nowadays might not do in quite the same way, that some of what you listen to is so-so whether but.
40:01
Have I ever done something like this that is really good that I could still do what I do and they are of course positive experiences that you can be satisfied with what you have sometimes previously achieved and produced and so on.
But then in some situations it's like, yeah, well, this song will not be played live.
40:21
In a way that, that so as if it's kind of the way it goes, that it's so so when.
You get excited about something every now and then.
Then he does something like that.
It's a phenomenon of the time and then you live 5 years ahead.
Hopefully, your mind will change and your views will change.
40:38
You get more experiences, you think about things differently and the music changes with it.
Sometimes it's amusing, as if you don't have to be away from something for a week to listen to an idea again, even if it's because you don't know what it was.
Good as this shows a little distance from his own creation, it may be that it is the opinion has changed in a few days because as soon as, for example, when the idea of a new idea is presented, it is already changed.
41:03
Let's talk about that.
In your own opinion, you've made a mistake somewhere, but then when you listen to the whole thing, a few days later, you may not even notice it because you're so critical of your own actions.
In the big picture, it didn't matter.
Yeah, that's true.
41:20
About being critical of your own doing, I find that I am at least very critical of my own doing.
I have been terribly difficult to listen to our own songs and it is contradictory in the sense that.
41:37
I've kind of made the songs so that I've done my share of the composing and lyric writing and sometimes even the producing when I'm working on it on the computer.
41:54
Somehow I thought that you have done the work to get something that is just what you think is good and then you can't listen to it at all.
It's like I'm playing a little bit of Rammstein.
Well.
Now the sound is good.
42:15
Yeah, well, time flies, so let's go on with the programme and 7 hours later.
Yes, that's it.
Well.
Let's talk about that awake game.
It's a bit of your latest stuff and then your alter ego band is also in the game.
42:35
Yeah, well.
Quite an amazing reception for that industry wake two.
It was absolutely amazing and when I heard you guys talking about taking a little breather now.
This year and then when I watched how the guys in the industry are doing when I visit with them, I've been waiting a little bit to see how long the guys will be able to take that oxygen, and if it starts the thing from there is like a new gear to fly again then so tell me a little bit about the industry wake 2 game for you guys.
43:06
Yeah well that project started already like 2 3 years ago.
Then during the korona period I remember.
Uh and so.
Again, just semmanoinen, that when we have been working with Remedy for a long time and and .
43:23
So so through it, of course, then as a continuum came the fact that now they are doing this new part of this industry wake series and and so that it would need now then new songs and and then in practice it was probably now then in the way that I first with sami, ie lake sami sami remedy creative director so with him then went through it, that what it is their need and what kind of story is and and so.
43:53
So no no and then I might digitan pretty quickly noitten songs with, so I then very quickly in a way so as.
My own part of the songs I wrote and said.
And then I sent them to Sami so when.
44:12
Lyrics and demos so that.
We they were able to go through it in their own heads and see that at what point it is so that tää is OK and tää istuu tähän what they want.
And of course, as long as that kind of long project is done so it can always then be edited and edited and edited many times over again, so that if they change even in the game plot or theme or something so then it can be reflected then in the lyrics and well if if if the lengths of the songs or some styles then it is somoisia that they require changes so we can react then react to such a pretty quickly.
44:46
And so, but we were then at the same time our own tours and writing and others were then in progress and so on and so again so it was then for some time met them schedules, that how we are able to be involved in the whole project and so but then in the end when it turned out that we had time so make these these so so.
45:09
Game-related things in it all our own so when.
So then it was again really lucky so when the equation and and and took a really long time.
To get those things are actually still just after its release and now still this early in the year.
45:29
So so so so have been to some extent still so when caught up in those projects, that post-production and other done in it, that it is usually quite a long project, that could imagine that we made just a couple of songs, but kappas but when many years took 3 years to get all the stuff done.
45:47
So so and of course it is the fact that when you work as an entrepreneur in the music industry so then it is a little bit that all sorts of things are all the time that it is a huge amount of record company to run and be an artist and composing and and so touring and all that stuff, so so they must all somehow manage to then fit into one there.
46:08
What kind of experience you had there game awards in the US?
Well it was really interesting and good experience in many ways that.
That's what I mean.
It was our second time when we went.
46:23
We went to Los Angeles and so there in Los Angeles was really organized so dawidsit and and well it came to the whole thing so as a couple of weeks' notice had no idea about visas and so on and so it was so as it was so as aikamoista so as rotation so when the papers and legal offices with that we were allowed to go there and we were just kind of so as decided it our twenty-second tour so that.
46:52
So now we can take a little bit of oxygen here and see what's to come and then come and apropoo would you like to go and visit us in Los Angeles?
And well, it could not be left out when the invitation came and so that so so unique and wonderful situation is an opportunity, it was the way to go there on the spot and so.
47:15
We had so when roughly a week or so of time when we then were, we flew there and back and we were able to be there then on the spot and a little restore to mind that what kind of tää losissa again iskaan.
And it was there so that it would probably be another podcast to tell just about it, but the gala itself was quite .
47:39
It is somehow a bit similar when it would have been at the festival, that it was work opportunity and and we have done similar events in the past and and so so so it is not in the sense perhaps not terribly different in that you meet there in and there are strict security security arrangements there and you meet a lot of industry people and actors and musicians and and so then you have the semmoiset classic hollywood trailers there behind where what is back room because then you have.
48:11
Someone comes knocking on the door and now you have 15 minutes to put on something wetter and then you're there with a Coke bottle and a club sandwich in your hand with mayonnaise on your face so that you can leave or something like that.
There were like 100 million viewers watching that mayonnaise and.
48:32
Then that's it it gets to yeah that's it, but it was exciting.
It was really exciting.
They came to get us from the trailer at some point.
I had actually been there and watched a bit of the gala from the trailer, and then I had been there myself at the gala.
48:49
But because I had to sing live so I did not want to go anywhere where I would have to talk to anyone, because in such an important situation so I do not want to so as the slightest stress that the voice does not work because I have been noisy even if I have to talk so I was then there in the trailer and then they came there semmoisen so 3 fifteen minutes before and started to exchange them with us.
49:09
performance costumes on and then we came to pick us up from there, but I was a minute or so late for it, so when the others left so was but tutsi but behind and our manager not there and our tour manager not to wait for it and they are then the actors then took the olli and kapu to the stage at that point already waiting for the event and.
49:31
And I come from the security check.
And I have all the eyepatches and leather jackets and this rivet and that chain and this chain and this chain.
But I was told to leave those things of yours.
Passports sinne traileriin that you do not need them now there about so of course then the security wanted to see just the access card and and so so so so so I was so that OK that probably need to go get a passport, I understand that the security guards are here because they are really needed here, but it was so good when the whole group of officers started to explain to the security guards that you don't know who is in charge and that the talent is coming in from this side and that side.
50:18
There's the audience coming in and it was the security guards who were like, hey, we can't do anything about this.
This is our job, we need the access card and then I'm standing there twiddling my thumb next to it so that when they tick and soon the song starts, we can just get the card while these guys are doing their job here and then our manager went to get the card from there and things went on as normal.
50:42
Nothing like that again and I remember then.
So when the minutes before 30 seconds before the song started backstage before the curtain and all when the dancers and others come there.
There's cameramen hanging around and stuff and you can see from the side of the curtain.
51:00
You can see the gala audience already and so on and so on and you're waiting for this to start so it occurred to me that well, 100 million plus spectators that now maybe it would be worthwhile to scarp that if you ever scarpe to do a show so now it would be worthwhile to scarp so that you don't get screwed up but it went all right.
51:21
It went well when I've watched it a couple of times during your performance there and the song is good and .
And it's great when they've made the dancers for it.
Ografia are great yeah.
Somehow it's a cultural act of this kind, the song is like a musical theatre.
51:37
Somehow musical theatre and playing.
And I think it's great that they've managed to fit something like that into a game like this.
Yeah yeah it is, it's funny.
I remember when Sami sometimes started talking about wanting to do a musical thing like that, and it's been so many years since then that it's been on my mind for a really long time.
51:58
Juttuja so so in the sense of a great job that they were able to make there so what kind of project red and put it in the game and it was so creisi when it was and we could be involved in it and it became even so what kind of so when a media event so somehow it is.
52:16
It's hard to describe in words how great the experience is, how it's been to be involved in such a thing and how it always feels like all the gigs we do and so on, so I somehow think that it's like music, theatre and yet the gigs.
52:33
That that's what I mean.
Whenever there's been an opportunity to get other performers to join in.
Well, even just jugglers or some fire-eater or something, they have always been .
Yeah, just bring acrobats and trapeze artists to our gigs.
52:51
They are always really nice things to do, but that of course, as you know, so touring has certain laws and when the costs and schedules so it is not possible in general then this kind of thing, which has always been me that if you could get something like a show so as to be so they are sometimes you manage to do, but so it is not that every time.
53:15
Juu tää please come to brazil type homma so it.
It is not many people but realize how much expense is one day to get around though.
How much we had 11 12 people when we.
So every story.
Touring so tour with a gig that or so the size of the crew so then you start to think that OK everyone every day hotel for everyone every day many meals or so suddenly suddenly suddenly just in those fuel alone belongs to the bus rent we are talking about tens of thousands of euros.
53:51
Flying gets more luggage price runaways all and then still it should as if pay for all.
Something like that and then when they are not the only people who travel with them but there are then in every single city.
Wherever you are there are a bunch of people who come from that city and you have to pay them too.
54:10
Yes, yes.
Yes, the costs are always quite a lot and now in recent years the costs have also increased so that when sometimes wonder why the ticket prices are rising.
Rise so well so it is of course correlates with the fact that what it is in a way.
54:29
The level of costs is then always so on such days that.
Yes, it is not necessarily ordinary consumer understand unless it opens a little bit of the situation that.
And I don't know if I need to if it makes something easier, then it is of course quite good to open semmoakin thing.
54:49
But it is also a little bit of the fact that what we sell and produce is to some extent the same as the film industry, that it is a certain kind of moment of liberation from everyday life and a certain kind of illusion illusion or some kind of joint government.
55:05
What is a foundation?
Hopefully in some way so when useful and healing and so when something like this that people get good memories and experiences of them and so so semmo so when.
The beam is a sense of its own everyday hustle and bustle so, in a way.
55:23
On top of the fact that you can sometimes experience something like something like musical life and so on, so then in a way it is even if there are doing people who have all the people's problems and so on so maybe not them in the situation so much wants.
Glue on top of the fact that the fact that it would remain in the way it enthusiasm and excitement of experiencing then I looked.
55:46
There and just when the beginning was talking about the healing and such so it is certainly a healing experience for many.
That's the music thing.
And now that you said the musical theatre so kyllän teillä is really strongly present musa videos it tommoinen.
Theatre tämmöinen visuality that whether you have much of it your own hand involved in those handprints always as much as possible so when I thought that certainly you are responsible for these many ideas that.
56:15
Yes, yes and yes, yes, yes, I listen to other people's opinions and ideas always very happy and the instructors are usually tosi isosti it own alsokin ajatus it and involved.
Että aina niitä paljon ballotellaan niitä ideoita ja joskus on ihan jäänyt musavideot tehnyt nicht because of the fact that there have been so many ideas that have not reached a consensus.
56:34
OK but so positive problem not in a certain way yes, but then again they have been made so much that so.
That you have been able to realize themselves and experience what it so when working in front of the camera is?
56:52
Although I might not now myself so, would go as an actor to dub, so they have perhaps experienced it to the extent that also somehow I have thought that the actor's work is not my thing and my work so at least not beyond the music videos, that even though there is some kind of ability to live different roles and situations so so I remain.
57:10
Maybe I prefer it anyway.
musician and doing the other things that I have done.
Yeah.
The hour has gone pretty fast here.
Like an hour already.
But I don't want to hold you prisoner here in the basement for a terribly long time, we'll do 1/2 sometimes this is a lot of fun.
57:31
The last question I'm interested in is to know in the year 2000 twenty-four.
Yes, what?
What qualities do you think are required in your field?
Is it still worth going into the industry?
So if we now think about singing as a musician, so what qualities do you think should be .
57:55
When you go into the field.
Well.
Perhaps the most important is that in addition to knowing what you want, what is important to you, you also know your own limits, i.e. what is OK for me and what is definitely not.
58:13
And then so when the ability to get along with people and and so also so silleen.
Communicate clearly things and and be able to some extent mediate even in conflict situations that.
58:32
I think that after all this comes the fact that so how well you play that tää is so nice that you have an instrument or ability to make music and you are so interested in it that you so when you like it because it semmoisen if you like something so much so you probably do it and you probably also develop in it and become better at it through it.
58:54
Well.
Maybe those are the kind of qualities that are worth having and then.
Mm that can be present, but not necessarily have need to be visible and present.
59:09
But we have for example social media is such a big part of today's reality and people's everyday lives that so semmoisissa is in some ways so when.
It is appropriate to be involved and necessary to be involved, because it is a marketing tool and and this kind of communication tool.
59:28
Also, then for example to the public and so so somehow they should perhaps be able and want to be involved.
I mean, I'm not in any social media.
But it could have been asked that you stayed on purpose.
Away from somes that yes, we have we have boys on its channels and through that I'm involved there, but personally I've so far chosen that.
59:52
That I miss just that calming down outside of all that, that it's OK that I'm involved in things like this because of my profession which are public, because this our work is perhaps more public than many other jobs, but to balance it so so it's good in my opinion to understand that everyone needs it so when um detachment from the work self, that you can be it just you yourself and so that's why I'm not so social media.
1:00:22
My close circle is someone who is my close circle and knows me and they know when and how to get hold of me and whether they can or should be left alone and so I think it's necessary to maintain your own personal identity.
1:00:39
For the sake of mental integrity, too, if you leave like this.
Come to think of it now, one more question from there.
Unfortunately, so when you talked about those qualities, so are those qualities that have also been shaped and developed sulla over time for the better?
1:00:56
Or can all these things even be .
You can not kind of ready perhaps become that kind of tommois.
What are you at the moment?
I think they are the kind of things that you said that I have been different when I started this thing and and and year by year because these are not clear things that are soen that here are French lines and now I put these numerical value that what kind of all these I am so but these are somoisia that you have had to kind of the heel through to learn what is important that some have been somoisia this tämmöinen .
1:01:30
I have a clear boundary between what is work and what is private.
I so it has always been and it has been good starting point root for what to build on top of it that I have fortunately realized in the early stages that that must be that.
1:01:48
Or not perfect, but mulla has been good to have it so clear erottautuminen from the fact that I can get in a way to recover and I can calm down and be myself that my not.
Although I am pretty similar to the rest of the so as well as also there so as a working role when I am so as myself so as oon it is however a certain kind of difference that if you are so as you are in the spotlight and cameras when the fact that you are so as you are so as alone in the living room in the living room slippers so yes people are different.
1:02:18
But I also have a light.
I'm light all the time.
You are all the time.
You're the light.
And that's just the way it is, but yes, they are things that develop and evolve according to how you think about things in life at any given time.
That so in that sense does not have to be a package, but of course if there is then someone even this podcast where someone who intends to enter the field hear tommoisen that no what about this kind of things so how do I relate to these so it is good to go through even if it is thinking about how to go into the field.
1:02:49
That so enterprising person of course who so when you want to do what you are going to do music and and so not afraid to take terrible risks and understand that so as situations come situations go and and and here many times take so as to nose but then just have to get up and keep moving forward so.
1:03:13
Little by little, when you do things that are important to you, something good is likely to happen.
Not to be added.
Toi was nicely concluded.
Thanks for coming to the podcast, this was great.
It would be really fun.
1:03:29
Let's plan another episode at some point.
Here's what we'll do.
Awesome.
Jes we'll be back thanks thanks.
